Flyover Americans arent going to take it. 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. Sure. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. He is a Cultural Marxist trying to destroy the West. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. Even did something positive. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. This ignorant fellow should study historical facts, rather than believing and repeating lies and half-truths. Video, 00:02:30. In fact he is a biased political campaigner working to attack and do as much damage to Britain as he can. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. This seems rather unlikely. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. One issue about Westerners buying slaves via a chain of commerce that often ultimately involved Africans selling other Africans at traditional slave-trading locations (there was some slave-raiding by Europeans directly, but rarer) is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. The agreement is being touted as a . And the Domesday Book even counts slaves as a separate category below the unfree peasants (villans, bordars and cottars) those owed service to a Lord who could order them to move about and could say yes or no to their proposed marriages, but unlike slaves he didnt own them, couldnt sell them, and they had property rights to at least a smallholding. Now they do. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. What do you think their stongest argument is? They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. I was uncomfortable using it. What difference has it made? Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. Required fields are marked *. MBE, do not entertain these people, not for one second. Their demands should simply be refused. If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. Sugar was king: originally a luxury, it became one of the main sources of calories for the British poor. Why are these characterizations needed? Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? Guess wed have to print it. Obama had none. (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) If Olusoga is looking for apologies or compensation for slavery, I am quite prepared to meet him, accept his apology, togehr with cash, cheque or even a postal order. This is indeed tu quoque. Should black history be taught all year round? "This generation has the greatest knowledge-giving tool ever created and they have access to knowledge that I just did not have when I was younger. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. Not to say it was nice.. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). That is not true. (At least in our society) Get over it. Under English law, damages are assessed as being that amount needed to restore them to the position they would have been, had the event claimed against not occurred. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? Ill disparage them. Id say this to Mr Olusoga. They are stupid false for America. So is Richard Murphy. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. Once insignificant villages, great cities such as Liverpool, Bristol and Glasgow sprang up on the profits of slavery. He was immersed in it. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, Slavery in England definitely continued for a couple of generations after the Norman Conquest and Bristol was a major export centre, though there were attempts to ban the export trade in particular (https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds has some interesting quotes from the time). And tolerance is not a given. He writes to inflame white guilt, so that you will ACCEPT destruction of your culture. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. To me personally, this is the thing. Long after slavery ended in the British colonies, British people continued to lobby the American government to free their slaves. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. So he calls himself a Geordie. That was when the Democrats were still Americans. The answer is money. And the fact youre moved to tears by discovering for the first time a great-great-great-grandmother of yours was a prostitute single-mum with seven kids or a great-x5-uncle you had never heard of was imprisoned for murder, well, your utter lack of knowledge simply reveals how little youve been influenced by them, so youre hardly discovering a new facet of yourself at all. Then the second. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. No member of my family ever owned slaves. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. Exactly, bis. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. many African tribes kept slaves. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. The New Statesmans weekly environment email on the politics, business and culture of the climate and nature crises - in your inbox every Thursday. The thing we British are ancestrally responsible for is beginning and continuing to pursue the extinction of the sordid business of slavery. Very little sugar on the mainland. That star stuff wont last. The New Statesmans global affairs newsletter, every Monday and Friday. By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. TV presenter David Olusoga has told the Edinburgh TV Festival his career had sometimes left him feeling "crushed, isolated," and "disempowered". He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. Black history: Should it be part of the wider curriculum? David will . It's against this backdrop that Black British History Month was created. He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. Particularly as nowadays anyone who dares even look at someone a few days below the age of consent is believed to be an incorrigible nonce who deserves hanging, castration, or castration by hanging. It may have made sense for the SS to starve labourers to death. Thats what I dont like about the angle of Tims header. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong. How could Britain, a civilised and Christian nation, indulge in rape, torture, killing and the forced labour of Africans over two centuries? Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. . He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. Its a shame At the moment it seems to regarded as a good thing. Shouldnt matter whether some long-dead relative fought long ago for or against (not at all to disparage your ancestors GC, who all sound very sound) in terms of whether somethings your fault. . Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. It's all down to people in their 20s, those at school and in their teens, who have a relationship with history which, says Prof Olusoga, is profoundly different from that of their parents and grandparents. A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. Mans a loon. Certainly they killed them casually often for religious reasons. I assume these were usually killed before Europeans turned up and bought them. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . Intellectually more convincing anyway for practical and political purposes, demolishing a straw-man often makes a better video or audio clip while simultaneously making your opponents position sound stupid. I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. History is just one awful thing after another. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. That may have caused more violence. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. Britain was happy to force the Bevan Boys down coal mines. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. Both of these need proof. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. No. Just as how in the 16th century the anti-slavery voices in Europe were overwhelmed, and in the 19th century the abolitionists won out. Note, hes a renowned economist. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. Even discussing it gives your opponents arguments merit. Thats why we get it. 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