It means what if grandpa has a bad day? Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. Most toads, he says, love to stay in the water. ROBERT: That's interesting. That's the stuff that makes you you. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. JAD: [laughs] Youre just just judo, that's all this is. ", And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. PAT: And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. SAM KEAN: You got to help boost if you had a starving grandfather. PAT: This, of course, is Destiny. But a year later, the social worker called again. JAD: Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. About 30 years ago-. [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. You're eight, sorry. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? And Barbara found herself returning to a thought she'd kind of always had. And one of them is called the thyroid system. So its like grandpa's struggle is jumping forward and giving me a leg up? Its just That's just how I've always looked at it. Not only that. Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. ], What's the worst thing you have been called by one of your critics?]. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. Could you just tell us what you are doing now? How was this woman allowed", "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". More of this particular protein. ROBERT: One-fourth? MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. On the Radiolab website they define the show as follows: "Radiolab is a show about curiosity. SAM KEAN: Except he had one. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. PAT: This great. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You have to do that for five hours a day for six consecutive days. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. That doesn't matter. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. Well, yep, that is so true. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? He works at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden where he studies population data. You know what they're going to go do with that money. ROBERT: They could eat twice, three times as much. You have to look at one cage, say, are they licking? JAD: How do those cycles perpetuate? I think I was really horrified and terrified. No, she was an oops kid. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. I should add too. JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. SAM KEAN: Very easily. JAD: Even if it helps, it's horrifying. It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. This is Radiolab. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. All rights reserved. One time, and I'm on flighter. Peanut butter, there we go. SAM KEAN: And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. SAM KEAN: And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. And right now, I'm student teaching. We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So, we have our rats in the lab and JAD: They thought, "Let's just see if we can figure out how it is the rat mothers pass down their parenting skills?". Kick off certain hormonal systems. Your support helps Radiolab continue to provoke, delight, and keep audiences curious. The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. PAT: Because when a woman uses heroin while she's pregnant, the fetus gets hooked on it too. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. It's a guided audio tour through cities where Radiolab Ken Burns and others. OLOV BYGREN: It's a small forest area, very beautiful. JAD: Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. JAD: Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. I'm trying to remember. And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Well lets lets read the book first. Very easily. PAT: Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. BARBARA HARRIS: Since birth. What a name, you've got to like this guy. Started with the tongue. BARBARA HARRIS: They were seven and eight at the time. [laughs]. Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. Because theyre reaching for the tops of trees. JAD: You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. And to believe anything else, that's naive. Just until they hatch and then 'til they go off. Okay, I'm here. BARBARA HARRIS: I decided to have a press conference in my front yard to announce what I was doing. OLOV BYGREN: Yes, we are really data-rich. SAM KEAN: And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. Barbara Harris. You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. That tongue is doing something to the DNA. He actually coined the word biology, too. Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. Full transcript: Radiolab co-host Jad Abumrad on Recode Media The new season of More Perfect, a spinoff show from Radiolab, began airing Oct. 2. Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. PAT: And at a certain point, I noticed over my shoulder Barbara's crouched down and she's got her phone out and she's taking a picture of this just perfect little scene. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. PAT: And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? I don't know where she gets that from. She did. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. I went to the hospital and picked him up. That you can, somehow, by just being nice to them, reading them stories, or whatever, that you can somehow break them free of all that. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? If you're a starving boy between 9 to 12 years old, now it doesn't matter a whole lot what happens to you after this, your grandchildren will have one-quarter the risk of heart disease. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. I have to be creative.". JAD: Many years later, he and this woman. Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. PAT: And by this point, she's 37 years old. And Barbara and Destiny walked me out to my car. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. Please welcome Barbara.]. Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. My situation turned out positive. You got to kick it back. ROBERT: According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. JAD: Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? Its something I still think about all the time. SAM KEAN: He extended this idea to people. BARBARA HARRIS: Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? You're slippery, partner's slippery. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. I know! Even if it helps, it's horrifying. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? SAM KEAN: And at a time when you're not making the best decisions anyway. You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. PAT: Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. Oh my goodness. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? Anyways, God bless you. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. ROBERT: So what is the licking doing then? Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. He was mighty skeptical. Radiolab is on YouTube! My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. JAD: It's off-limits. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. You know, like if you're abused as a kid, you were more likely to abuse your kid, but still, you got to wonder. JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. PAT: I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. 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