They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. Fraudulent Enlistment. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Seems ridiculous that I had the surgery over a year ago and this is the only thing stopping me from getting processed in MEPs. This is a process a person goes through after they have gone through the medical screening to join the army. I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. Privacy Policy. Stupid kids want the power, the prestige, the money, the sweet benefitsthe military has a lot to offer. 73. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. I'm guessing you're done. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". I had the surgery in august of 2014. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. Telling them what I told the recruiter and what he told me. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. It is possible to lie about your depression during MEPS (Military Entrance Process). Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? I informed my recruiter of this incident and he told me not to mention it to MEPS because it won't come back in a police check being so recent. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? Yet I come on this forum and nearly every single hopeful has 4 LORs from all sorts of military personnel and powerful individuals. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. He. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. . I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. Put me in the disqualified for medical category. For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. Right now, between your profile information and this post, you're what we like to call a "tool bag". Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. 21 years active duty,kept my mouth shut about stuff that just did not need to be amplified. Ive had the doctor write two letters and both have not been good enough. AF gives thumbs-up to pilots who had LASIK surgery - News - Stripes, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Applicants often need further evaluation or counseling before they can live the rigorous and stressful military lifestyle. I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. Did I Lie at MEPS??! This isn't the place, and you aren't the expert. So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. Dont lie. For more information, please see our We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. Once you have gone through initial questioning phases with your recruiter and have discussed your options, your recruiter will set an. The medics at BMT requested and reviewed her civilian medical records to possibly determine the cause and any history of the condition. Know how to find the right doctor. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". TL; DR Anyone with experience of LASIK eye surgery documentation sent to MEPS. I wasn't aware of the 3 months check. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. It does not belong to any particular service division. I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. I got to certain sections and told him I have to say "yes" to these questions and I knew how important they were. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Am I? Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. Take the advice and think on it. (Navy). Know preoperative, operative, and postoperative . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. I played my "sax" a lot in basic. If you are 100% sure that both are non-issues and you can perform without them holding you back, then just don't mention it. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. Delayed my ROTC scholarship for a semester, biggest pain in the ass. The most popular bodybuilding message boards! Let's all throttle back a bit. Recruiter told me to lie . ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. The flap is then placed back into its original position. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Long story short, I broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Good luck to you. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. KUDOS! Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Unless someone wants to send the mods proof of their M.D., and dig into medical history, you have no business declaring whether or not anyone's medical condition is non-serious, important, real, or anything else. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. LASIK Surgery Checklist. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. I have ADHD and a prescription but function perfectly fine off the meds bc ADHD does not effect me much at all anymore. It will regenerate itself in about three to five days. Or just give up and wait for a couple of years? This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Never got caught. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. He told them. What is the worst that can happen? They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Generally speaking, no. if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. They might nowWhy would you pose a question on a public website. They do that at the School of Infantry. Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? I went through in 2011 after Lasik. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! Want to learn about deploying, finances, mental health, cross-rating, and more? We can't definitively know the answer to these hypotheticals, but we do know that the military would have never prepared them for it because they never were evaluated. So you want to start a career founded on integrity by lying? MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. Just something to think of. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. You're still not getting it. I was in the same spot. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog Lying on your SF-86 is an aspect of personal conduct, and deliberately falsifying or omitting information prevents investigators from getting the full picture of who you are and how you have conducted yourself thus far. After a few more weeks, the doctors determined he did not actually have EIA, but was experiencing panic attacks and anxiety which subconsciously manifested as physical symptoms (a Psychosomatic Disorder). Meps to Meps transfer of record/file, how long does it take? If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. What should I do. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 In the end, I did everything I could to prove I was completely fine. And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). Then I met his boss; Sub-station commander. It may not display this or other websites correctly. (January 6, 2021, subversive for attending the rally - not me, but a friend). I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didnt they found it at meps . I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. For every one of these little vignettes there is an outstanding Soldier, Sailor, Airperson or Marine that said "No" when asked, and is out there doing outstanding shit. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. However, herein lies the problem. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. You are using an out of date browser. It's sometimes better to keep your trap shut and deal with possible consequences later. Lying will. It allows MEPS to see your entire Electronic Health Record (EHR). What's the deal? Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. We are going to have to start policing this, because it's becoming too common. I plan on waiting the 6 months. HELP!!!! The largest military subreddit on reddit. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 1. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. This is for prior service and new applicants. It also helps prevent mods from profiling and censoring. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. Option 2: Lie. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. Well today I reserved an 11x op 40 contract with plans to go to MEPS Tues/Wed. It is not the recruiters job to get you into the military, nor is it MEPS' job to disqualify you. 4,250. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. You are using an out of date browser. Its in your best interest to get through MEPS. So its been about 2 weeks now and have been too scared to talk to him. See Article 83 UCMJ. Your Visit to MEPS All enlisted recruits are evaluated at MEPS Your recruiter helps prepare you for MEPS If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. I had lasik back in November and just had an enhancement to my left eye on Friday that I've been stressing about. Always good advice. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. !, Military Life and Issues, 8 replies Lying scumbag Johnson on MSNBC lying-no challenge from host, Elections, 31 replies Never saw him again. He said that there is a good chance that I could lose my op 40. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. So they just left that section blank and filled in the most recent appointment, making it look as if i never went in at all until just the other day. And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. You probably dont even have ADHD because they hand out those diagnoses to kids like Candy. Everyone I know lied about something, he'll if everyone was honest about drug use there wouldn't be a military. Disclose EVERYTHING. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. 27. The wrist has handled push ups every other day since I was cleared to get back to it and my eyes are perfect, but I'll know for sure at 6 months. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. If you would like to protect yourself, add the Chrome extension TamperMonkey, or the Firefox extension GreaseMonkey and click Install This Script on the script page. I was at SOI-West last summer. For questions like "Have you ever had mental health counseling?" Is your condition a liability to yourself or others? When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. 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