/ CBS News. "Ems kept looking straight ahead," the report said. WebTim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. before we start calling them 'kids' and letting them off the hook for killing people. That previous footage allegedly depicted Piazza, severely under the influence, falling head-first down the stairs at about 11 p.m. and falling again around 5 a.m., hitting his head against a metal railing. In another tweet, typed after those in the courtroom watched footage of Piazza roll in pain on the floor in the early hours of the morning after falling 15 feet, Snyder said: "The courtroom is silent.". She lost a primary election in the spring and is set to leave office in January. hey, how about you let me know what you would do if you were Piazza except instead of dying, you live and you must live the rest of your life unable to move from the neck down? ABC News' Gregory Croft and Stephanie Gomulka contributed to this report. We've received your submission. He's black out drunk and stumbling around, and he's just left alone? "Not going to lie, this footage is pretty tough to watch," Alexandersen tweeted, around the same time Snyder reported the courtroom was silent. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. He said it was one of the fraternity members facing charges in connection with Piazza's death, but he did not reveal the name in court andsaid the footage disappeared before police could collect it. I just wanted to have a conversation. Susan Snyder, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, was at the hearing. Detectives also found a text from Becker the day after the party, saying Piazza was technically hazed into drinking that much. In another text, Becker used an expletive to say someone had argued against getting the pledges very drunk but no one listened.. He is estimated to have had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of nearly .40 on the night of the hazing incident. Newly recovered security camera footage from inside a Penn State fraternity house showed a pledge had been given at least 18 drinks in less than 90 minutes, investigators said Monday in announcing dozens of new charges related to the pledges death. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. In court, some of the fraternity brothers appeared distressed while watching the videos. Prosecutors allege Piazza was forced to drink excessively before falling and hurting himself. Of the accused young men, eight face involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; four face reckless endangerment and hazing, among other charges; and six face charges for evidence tampering. Prosecutors claim fraternity members The houses security system captured many of the events the night Piazza was injured, footage that had already been played at a preliminary hearing for those charged previously. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. You are asking them to think and act rationally about this, and that is something that is very difficult for grieving people to do. The new allegations mark a significant escalation in a case that has taken several twists since the Dauphin County coroner initially ruled Piazza's death an accident. What happened to him after that, is entirely on the willful and blatant negligence of his frat brothers. Please enter valid email address to continue. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. He fell down drunk, which initially knocked him out so that much is his fault. What these people chose to do was make it worse and try to hide the fact they were breaking campus rules at the cost of a fellow members well being. Sure. The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. A judge presiding over the preliminary hearing, which began in June, will decide whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. The hearing, which is expected to enter a fifth day Friday, will determine whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. That night after the February event, Piazza drunkenly fell down the stairs and sustained the injuries that led to his death less than two days later. We certainly didn't hear anything linking him to anything regarding Timothy Piazza's death," said Michael Engel, DiBileo's lawyer. When Piazza was finally brought to the hospital on Feb. 3, he had a damaged spleen. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. One of the 18 fraternity members facing charges in the death of a Penn State pledge deleted footage from a basement surveillance camera two days after the 19-year-old sophomore died, a detective testified Thursday. You or your parents wouldnt file charges right? Justin is an assistant managing editor at CBS News. from The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. One brother tried to convince the others that Piazza needed immediate medical help, but was ignored. One of the main revelations from the footage: Fraternity brothers gave Piazza at least 18 drinks in one hour and 22 minutes. He ultimately was left on a couch overnight and was found by frat members the following morning. Ok, you are right. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. Prosecutors indicated that police would be filing additional charges in connection to the deleted video, PennLive.com reports. At this point normal people would call for medical help. everything that happened after he regained consciousness (although it sounds like he may have already been in debilitating pain by this point) could have been prevented if they had just given 2 shits about a person that they called a brother. I haven't liked the idolization of him, and how the parents have basically ripped on everyone that their son has ever known. (Abby Drey/AP). Miller explained that the recovered surveillance footage shows frat brothers forcing Piazza to consume copious amounts of alcohol. They bought and served absurd amounts of alcohol to a minor. Video on a camera insidea Penn State fraternity house was erasedtwo days after a pledge died followinga night of hazing and heavy drinking, a detective testified Thursday, according to media reports. Seems like they don't realize he chose to be involved in this group and event. The results of an investigation into surveillance video of the fraternity His brain had swollen to the point that roughly half of his skull had to be removed to relieve the pressure. Piazza "was a happy and caring human being" who "was killed at the hands of those he was seeking friendship from," his father said, according to ABC News. Piazza's parents, Jim and Evelyn of Hunterdon County, New Jersey, left the courtroom before the prosecution began airing the footage, narrated by Scicchitano. Any one of these members could have called for help. Prosecutors have filed new charges against members of the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Penn State, alleging that newly recovered video shows them serving pledge Timothy Piazza excessive quantities of alcohol. US House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has defended giving about 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from the insurrection on January 6 2021 to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. For the time he was awake during those twelve hours he was in agony. "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. The Inquirer explains: "In September, Judge Allen Sinclair gutted the prosecution's case, throwing out the most serious felony charges against the fraternity members and saying prosecutors had not presented enough evidence to support them. The continuation comes after nearly 12 hours of testimony and hours of surveillance footage from the fraternity house on the night Timothy Piazza, a sophomore from New Jersey, fell during a bid acceptance night party. But they are not evil. They carried him back upstairs, but it was another 40 minutes before an ambulance was summoned. The grand jury that investigated Piazzas death, video footage and preliminary hearing testimony painted a disturbing picture of his final night inside the fraternity house. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of the fraternity and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Each fraternity brother faces charges after Piazza had a deadly fall at the Beta Theta Pi house at Penn State back in February. That's just all manner of fucked up. I agree with both of those things. Advertisement 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. He was just trying to join an organization. Messages left for most other defendants or their lawyers were not immediately returned Monday. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. WebPiazza's family left the courtroom when surveillance video was played. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. Piazza had consumed at least 18 drinks in less than an hour and a half, according to prosecutors. He was pronounced dead after roughly 20 hours of surgery proved that he could not likely recover. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Power your marketing strategy with perfectly branded videos to drive better ROI. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. Would you sue or press charges? Gene J. Puskar/AP A detective testified in court Thursday that surveillance video had vanished. He was pronounced dead less than 24 hours later. Police have said Piazza fell head first down 15 basement steps at around 11 p.m. on the night of Feb. 2, but no one called 911 until the next morning. Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. This may actually explain why we disagree so much Edit 2: do you have a personal connect to this? Updated on: November 13, 2017 / 2:58 PM Sign up for free Patch newsletters and alerts. Of course the fraternity should be punished. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The fraternity was permanently banned from Penn Stateafter Piazza's death. Second of all, yes, victims of horrible crimes often did something stupid or unwise, which is why they were preyed upon instead of someone else who was more cautious and more difficult prey. Pledges were made to chug vodka and beer. Piazza was carried to a couch where frat brothers poured beer on him, hit him, and eventually propped him on his side. He was found several hours later by members of the frat. It was estimated that he had .40% BAC and a lethal BAC is roughly .30%-.40%. The 19-year-old staggered through the house, visibly in pain he fell head first several times. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. Normal people would seeing this and immediately call for help. They have caused that condition," said Parks Miller. Over the rest of that evening, fraternity members were recorded pouring liquid on him, strapping a loaded backpack to him and taking other ineffective or counterproductive steps to deal with his condition. FULL STORY: Video surveillance from Pennsylvania State University fraternity house shown in court - WNEP. In May, a grandjury concluded fraternity members were indifferent to Piazza's condition as they deleted text messages andattempted to conceal evidence of hazing and underage drinking. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Not calling 911 immediately is not Piazza fault. At the news conference Monday, Piazza's father said he is committed to pursuing the charges against the members of the fraternity, which has been shut down by Penn State. The testimony came on the fourth day of a preliminary hearing for 16 members of Beta Theta Pi facing charges that includeinvoluntary manslaughter and aggravated assault in the Feb. 4 death of engineering student Timothy Piazza, 19. Tim would be alive today if they didn't care more about themselves more. Press J to jump to the feed. But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. "Theybasically treated our son as roadkill and a rag doll, Jim Piazza toldNBCsTodayshow. 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I think they're acting like distraught parents struggling to cope with the death of their son even if it means distorting reality a bit and choosing to see his son in the best of lights and his frat brothers in the worst. The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. More than a dozen members of a Penn State University frat are facing additional charges in the highly publicized hazing death of Tim Piazza after investigators were able to retrieve deleted surveillance footage, prosecutors announced Monday. Join Vimeo At one point, the men can be seen trying to dress him, but struggling against the stiffness that had set into his limbs, grand jurors said. Where Piazza is not at fault, where the parents have a right to be upset, and why this is a major issue at all is that the fraternity didn't seek timely medical attention that could have saved his life. I sincerely doubt you know his parents or knew Timothy enough to espouse his lack of accountability. WebReporters inside the Centre County Courthouse live tweeted the proceedings as the prosecution played the surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi fraternity party on A response like yours is why I feared posting this. There's fault to go around there. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. Obviously you are riding a very high horse and looking down on me. Piazza appears lifeless for most of the video, rolling on the ground and holding his head in his hands. Stupid yes, but they just don't fit my idea of evil. A fraternity is supposed to be like a second family. I guess that is what has really skewed my opinion of this whole thing. Tim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. And as tragic as the loss of this young man is, Joey Ems never should have been charged with a crime.. I can concede they are stupid. Meanwhile, tensions were high in the courtroom Thursday, with Centre County District Attorney Stacey Parks Miller turning her back on Judge Allen Sinclair to speak directly to the courtroom gallery, Philly.com reports. But the hazing was not the unconscionable part of what happened, and it wasn't what led to his death. He was later The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. The prosecutors' case has not progressed evenly since May, as the accused have said Parks Miller is overreaching with her allegations. In fact, on video, Tim Piazza does not obtain his own alcohol at any point rather, every drink consumed was provided to him by a fraternity brother, she said. It's a horrible idea for any crime, this one included. The district attorney's office in Centre County, Pennsylvania, has announced new charges in the death of Tim Piazza. Waiting for your permission to load facebook comments. I'm not hanging on tooth and nail to anything, because I'm not invested in this on a personal level. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital in the early hours of Feb. 4. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. According to several reporters live-tweeting the surveillance footage from that night and early morning, it was hard to watch. All of the footage from a basement camera prior to Feb. 6 had been deleted before authorities had a chance to obtain it. 2023 Telepictures Productions Inc. The preliminary hearing for the Penn State fraternity brothers accused in the hazing death of a 19-year-old student has been continued to a to-be-decided upon date, according to reports. Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death. Clearly, he is dead weight." Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Tim was in no way responsible for or a part of this behavior. It took nearly twelve hours for them to make the call for help. "Piazza looks like dead weight. Beta Theta Pi fraternity house at Penn State. WebSurveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Ed Gilmartin was there. What is he responsible for? WebDr. Gabe Gutierrez, an NBC News correspondent, said via Twitter that the courtroom was silent as prosecutors played video of Piazza dying. I mean, this is a very speculative statement at best. Piazza received "at least 18 drinks in over 1 hour and 22 minutes," Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller said at a news conference Monday, and he "never once obtained any of those drinks for himself. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. Ten other students are facing related charges of reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and providing alcohol to minors, among other charges. I cannot stress this enough. Beckers motive, wrote State College Police Detective David Scicchitano, was to conceal the worst of the drinking and hazing. Flanked by Piazza's parents, Centre County district attorney Stacy Parks Miller told reporters that 12 new defendants, as well as five old ones, are facing new criminal charges, including involuntary manslaughter, hazing and giving alcohol to minors. State College Police Detective David Scicchitano said he believed he knew the identity of the person who deleted the footage, PennLive.com reported. I can honestly say that would not be how my mind would work. "However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.". Everybody so far has been talking about either how the parent's actions are justifiable in their grief, or that the fraternity is responsible for intentionally trying to cover up his injuries and delaying medical treatment after he fell. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. Other charges include assault, reckless endangerment, giving alcohol to minors, hazing and tampering with evidence. "It's time to man up, fellas, and be held accountable for your actions," Piazza's father, James, told reporters, his voice cracking. Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Excerpts from the footage havebeen compelling: Fraternity members are shown holding Piazza down, strapping him to a backpack to keep him from turning over and choking, pouring liquids on him and trying to get him to stand so they could dress him even whenhe appeared to be unconscious. The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. He did not reveal the name of the member in question. While this event is horribly tragic, I don't think it serves anyone to blame the other fraternity members and act like Timothy piazza had no involvement. 1894 shipwreck found in Lake Huron, confirming "powerful, tragic story", Bipartisan Senate group unveils rail safety bill in response to Ohio derailment, What to know about Shigella bacteria as drug-resistant strain spreads, Top Dems push Fox News to stop promoting "propaganda" about 2020 election, New charges in Penn State University fraternity death, Flying bug found at Walmart turns out to be rare Jurassic-era insect, Top McCarthy aide, House Oversight chair each met with Ashli Babbitt's mother. In September, following an unusually long, hard-fought preliminary hearing, a judge dismissed the most serious charges against the fraternity members. And Ive had it with you, too.. "Brothers were coming up to him and giving him those drinks," she added. Piazza was a freshman taken in by the frat, the senior frat members are both stupid and evil. In partnership with Piazza, a 19-year-old engineering student from Lebanon, New Jersey, suffered a fractured skull, shattered spleen and other injuries, likely during a series of falls inside the house. Scicchitano said one of the members of Beta Theta Pi already facing charges in connection to the death of engineering student Tim Piazza deleted the footage, but he did not identity that individual in court, PennLive.com reports. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. He drank an incredibly high amount of alcohol and fell down the basement stairs and was unconscious. hide caption. Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. Her successor Bernie Cantorna has not said whether or not he intends to proceed with the prosecution.". Even if they aren't and are just held to the standard of roommates look at the whole situation. Of the 17 fraternity members charged, five now face manslaughter charges. But, still, they pressured him into drinking too much. What they did was far worse than, say driving drunk and killing someone which would still be involuntary manslaughter. Piazza died Feb. 4 at a hospital after consuming what authorities said was a dangerous amount of alcohol, as well as sustaining severe injuries to his head and abdomen. These were supposed to be his friends. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. What led to his death was the negligent behavior of the fraternity members after Tim was first injured. Ad Choices, Video surveillance from Pennsylvania State University fraternity house shown in court - WNEP. (Patrick Carns/Patrick Carns). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. He got up and tried to reach the front door but fell head first into it, knocking himself unconscious again. Again, letting people off the hook for being stupid is a dangerous precedent, because it encourages criminals to maintain as much ignorance as possible and act stupid in front of the jury. Former attorney Alex Murdaugh's double murder trial continues with closing arguments: Watch live. Gary DiBileo Jr. of Scranton left the Centre County Courthouse without knowing when he'll be back and if the charges against him will go to trial. This was men who intended to force-feed lethal amounts of alcohol into other young men. Sometimes to excess. need to get some shit off your chest? This might not be as bad as consciously deciding to delay medical treatment, but this is still something the fraternity brothers should be culpable for. They are acting like total jerks attacking these kids in public. 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